How Safe Retirement Withdrawal Rates Work in Practice

The 4% rule doesn’t guarantee safety, but combined with some judgment and adaptation based on market conditions, it gives a very high likelihood of success.

The 4% safe portfolio withdrawal rate is practically gospel in personal finance, and for good reason. It claims to answer one of life’s most pressing questions: How much money does one need to be able to retire?

If the 4% rule is correct, the answer is simple. One needs 25 times their annual living expenses invested in a reasonably diversified portfolio of stocks and bonds that is annually rebalanced.

According to the research, even someone who retired at the worst possible time in the past 95+ years would have been able to take enough money out of their portfolio to pay their annual living expenses in the first year of retirement, then take out an inflation-adjusted amount in every successive year for 30 years and not run out of money. Like many rules of thumb, the 4% rule is as powerfully simple as it is incomplete.

Here are eight questions that have puzzled me over the years as I’ve validated and applied the rule in my own retirement.

1. How safe is safe enough? If the safe withdrawal rate is set by the worst sequence of returns in recent history, what’s to say a longer history wouldn’t have had an even worse sequence?

2. How realistic is it to assume that retirees will follow the rule strictly, adjusting for inflation every year but not adjusting for market conditions?

3. What is so magical about account balances on the day someone retires? If the market drops by 30% the month before they retire, does that mean they should live on 30% less throughout retirement?

4. Why is there no room for midcourse adjustment? If the market performs well for the first five years of retirement, and a retiree finds their account is now worth twice what it was at retirement (even after adjusting for inflation), shouldn’t they be able to increase their withdrawals accordingly?

5. Shouldn’t older retirees use a higher withdrawal rate since they have fewer years to live?

6. Why not use a truly safe approach and take out a percentage of the portfolio annually? Yes, the inflation-adjusted value of the withdrawals would fluctuate, but there’s no way to drive a portfolio to zero when only taking out a percentage of it.

7. How much do portfolio allocations to stocks and bonds, as well as allocations to small-cap and value stocks, impact what can safely be withdrawn?

8. Which portfolio withdrawal strategies have historically delivered the highest retirement income and legacy balances?

Eight Safe Withdrawal Questions and Responses

1. How Safe Is Safe Enough?

William Bengen first devised the 4% safe withdrawal rate by analyzing diversified stock and bond portfolio returns for every start year between 1926 and 1976. The worst scenario in those 50 years set the number. Since the analysis only included 50 starting dates, we could conclude that the worst case represents a 1-in-50 chance, or 2% risk, of failing. A longer history might have shown an even lower safe withdrawal rate. Interestingly, we haven’t seen anything worse in the years since Bengen’s original research. In fact, the worst safe withdrawal rate for a 60% stock/40% bond portfolio of S&P 500 index stocks and short-term U.S. government bonds between 1977 and 1993 is over 6%. Maybe the 50 years Bengen analyzed were particularly unlucky? Or maybe the years since have been unusually lucky? There’s no way to know.

Future returns are unpredictable. They could be better or worse than the past 100 years. Does that mean the 4% guideline isn’t safe? If by safe, one means guaranteed to work, then we’d have to say it isn’t. Life is uncertain, and investing, by nature, involves some risk. If by safe, one means very likely to work and a prudent starting point, then yes, it’s safe. The 4% guideline is not guaranteed, but it’s very conservative and has been independently validated many times over 95+ years of history.

2. How Realistic Is It to Assume That Retirees Will Strictly Follow the Rule?

The 4% fixed safe withdrawal rate assumes that the annual withdrawal amount is set at retirement and then adjusted for inflation in succeeding years, so that withdrawal purchasing power remains constant throughout retirement. It sounds reassuring, but would anyone actually do it?

Take, for example, someone who retired in January 2017 with $1 million invested in a 60%/40% portfolio. The 4% guideline suggests they could take out $40,000 to live on in year one. The following January, they need to know the reported inflation for most of 2017 to calculate their next withdrawal. They calculate that they should take out $40,844 in 2018. In subsequent years, they’d do the same calculation and get the sequence of withdrawals as shown in Table 1.

TABLE 1 Taking Inflation-Adjusted 4% Withdrawals

As skeptical as I am that many people would run the numbers, I’m even more skeptical that they would ignore the world around them as well as their account balance while blindly following the strategy, diligently rebalancing every year. Would they have ignored the global pandemic in 2020 and stuck to the plan? We know that individual savings rates spiked to over 30% in April 2020, and I suspect many retirees were among those who their curtailed spending.

Investors who rely on the 4% safe withdrawal rate will likely apply judgment to adjust up or down in any given year. Retirees who see their nest eggs grow substantially may wonder if they can’t reset their 4% withdrawals to a higher amount based on their bigger nest eggs.

3. What Is So Magical About the Balance on the Day Someone Retires?

If the market drops by 30% the month before someone retires, does that mean they should live on 30% less throughout retirement?

Imagine financial “twin” sisters who are the same age and have the same-sized nest eggs invested in the same portfolios. One retires right before the market crashes and takes her first 4% withdrawal while the other retires right after the crash with a 30% smaller nest egg. If it’s “safe” for the early sister to withdraw 4% of the larger amount, isn’t it equally “safe” for the later retiring sister to withdraw the same amount even though it’s 5.7% of her reduced portfolio value? The only difference between them is that the early retiree’s portfolio is 1% larger since she converted 4% to cash before the market dropped and didn’t experience the 30% loss on that 4%. Even adjusting for that, it seems like the late-retiring sister could withdraw 4% of 99% of the early-retiring sister’s withdrawal amount.

Practically speaking, both sisters would be equally safe withdrawing the same dollar amount since they have the same portfolio asset allocations, the same-sized nest eggs (within 1%) and will experience the same sequence of returns. The important thing to remember is that neither is guaranteed to not run out of money because we don’t know what future returns will be.

Both sisters may want to consider the market drop as they decide how much to withdraw. The first sister might consider withdrawing a little less than 4% to offset her lucky timing, while the second might consider withdrawing a little more than 4% to compensate for her unlucky timing.

4. Why Is There No Room for Midcourse Adjustment?

If the market performs well for the first five years of retirement and a retiree finds their account is now worth twice what it was at retirement, even after adjusting for inflation, shouldn’t they be able to increase their withdrawals accordingly?

The methodology used to develop the 4% rule suggests that ratcheting withdrawals up as a portfolio grows would be fine. If the portfolio has doubled in value, adjusting the withdrawals to the new balance seems justified by the backtesting. The retiree now has fewer years to live than they did when they retired, and they would have set their initial withdrawal rate based on the higher balance had they retired later.

The tricky part is that none of us knows how long we’ll live. The 4% safe withdrawal guideline was based on a 30-year retirement. What if we live longer and need our money to last 35 or 40 years?

Since the safe withdrawal rate was chosen to be safe for 30 years, ratcheting withdrawals up based on increased balances always worked within 30 years in the backtests. However, it increased the likelihood of running out of money within 40 years. At that longer time horizon, a fixed 4% withdrawal rate without ratcheting ran out of money 5% of the time while a fixed 4% withdrawal rate with ratcheting ran out of money 17% of the time. The lesson is simple. In the face of uncertain returns (the 10 years not included in the 30-year safe withdrawal backtests), taking out more money means taking more risk.

A prudent alternative might be to switch to a 5% flexible withdrawal strategy, which we’ll discuss in question 6.

5. Shouldn’t Older Retirees Use a Higher Rate Since They Have Fewer Years to Live?

A friend once complained that “all of your suggested investing approaches have me die with too much money.” I replied by saying, “We can fix that if you tell me when you’re going to die.”

Older retirees should be able to withdraw a higher percentage per year since they are likely to live fewer years. In Bengen’s original research, he found that almost 5% was a safe withdrawal rate for a 20-year retirement. The challenge is knowing what duration to use. Does an 85-year-old retiree assume they will only live five years, 10 years, 20 years? We could look at actuarial tables to estimate remaining life expectancy, but it’s just an estimate, and our remaining life expectancy increases every year we live up to a certain point.

The U.S. government has dealt with this challenge in its required minimum distribution (RMD) tables. These prescribe a variable withdrawal percentage that increases with age. They are designed to leave smaller end balances while never running out of money. The problem most investors would have in using the RMD tables for their retirement withdrawals is that they would take their largest withdrawals in the final years. Barring extreme end-of-life medical expenses, this is unlikely to be when most retirees need or want to spend the most.

So, yes, older retirees can prudently withdraw more. However, a flexible withdrawal strategy may be better if the motive is primarily to spend and/or gift more while alive than dead. We’ll cover that next.

6. Why Not Use a Truly Safe Approach That Withdraws a Percentage of the Portfolio Annually?

The only truly safe way to never run out of money is to take flexible withdrawals. Flexible withdrawals are made by withdrawing a percentage of the portfolio every year. There is no withdrawal amount set at retirement and no need to figure out how much inflation there’s been. Instead, we just multiply the balance of our portfolio by the flexible withdrawal percentage and withdraw that amount. Since the remaining balance is a percentage of the starting balance, it can never go to zero. Let’s assume a 5% flexible withdrawal and add it to the table we generated previously. The results are shown in Table 2.

TABLE 2 Comparing Fixed 4% Withdrawals to Flexible 5% Withdrawals

There are some obvious advantages and disadvantages to this approach. On the plus side, backtesting suggests retirees can take a larger flexible percentage (e.g., 5% flexible versus 4% fixed) every year while maintaining their average real spending power over time. On the minus side, annual withdrawal amounts fluctuate with the portfolio’s value. In February 2009, the 60%/40% portfolio was down 28% from its peak. That was a substantial pay cut for someone who retired at the market peak in 2007. It suggests investors should over-save by 40% or more to comfortably use a flexible withdrawal approach.

Although flexible withdrawals have uncertain purchasing power throughout retirement, for a 60%/40% portfolio using 5% withdrawals, the probability of the balance being below the initial balance decreases over time. You can see this in Table 2. Even though 2022 was a difficult year for the 60%/40% portfolio, the 2023 flexible withdrawal is still higher than the initial $50,000 withdrawal. And, if we adjust for inflation, the 2023 withdrawal of $55,773 is worth $40,855 in 2017 dollars, which is still more than the inflation-adjusted 4% withdrawal. Investors who use a flexible withdrawal approach need to be comfortable with fluctuations in withdrawal purchasing power.

7. How Much Do Allocations Impact What Can Safely Be Withdrawn?

I’ve focused on the 60%/40% portfolio because backtesting shows that safe withdrawal rates have been highest for portfolios with between 50% and 75% equities. Portfolios with less allocated to equities haven’t grown fast enough to support higher safe withdrawal rates. Meanwhile, portfolios with more allocated to equities have gone through long down-market periods, causing them to be exhausted at higher withdrawal rates.

What’s less well known is that the highest safe withdrawal rates have come from even more diversified portfolios that include an allocation to small-cap value stocks. For example, a 60%/40% portfolio in which the 60% equities are split half and half between U.S. small-cap value stocks and the S&P 500 had a safe withdrawal rate of 4.4%.

Why would adding small-cap value increase safe withdrawal rates? The reason is that small and value stocks tend to do well under different market conditions than large growth stocks or U.S. government bonds. They also have higher expected returns. This produces better performance over a broader range of market conditions, greater resilience to challenging sequences of returns and higher safe withdrawal rates.

8. Which Withdrawal Strategies Have Delivered the Highest Income and Legacy Balances?

So far, we’ve focused on not running out of money. Withdrawal strategies and portfolio asset allocations also profoundly affect how much we can spend in retirement and how much we will pass on when we die. Figure 1 summarizes 30-year retirement withdrawal backtests for every starting month since 1928. It also includes the percentages of scenarios that failed (ran out of money) at 40 years. The vertical axis expresses performance as a real (inflation-adjusted) multiple of the starting retirement balance. The blue bars represent the distribution of results for all 1,140 periods tested.

FIGURE 1 Backtest Results for Various 30-Year Annual Withdrawal Strategies & Portfolios Using rolling starting months for the period from 1/1/1928–12/31/2022

The left-most scenario is a fixed 4% withdrawal rate using a traditional 60%/40% S&P 500 and intermediate-term U.S. government bond portfolio. Since real withdrawals are 4% times 30 years and inflation-adjusted, they always equaled 1.2 times the starting balance. Ending balances, in contrast, ranged widely from practically zero to more than 3.5 times the starting balance. The median ending balance was 1.43 times the starting balance. This shows how the fixed maximum safe withdrawal approach sacrifices the predictability of the end balance for the predictability of the 30-year withdrawals. Perhaps surprisingly, this approach only ran out of money 5% of the time at 40 years.

The second scenario from the left is the same as the first, except it ratchets up the withdrawal amount when the portfolio increases in value. This increased the median real withdrawals to 1.59 times the starting balance, or a 33% increase over the non-ratcheted approach. It also reduced the real end balance to 79% of the starting balance and increased the 40-year failure rate to 17%.

The next three scenarios use 5% flexible withdrawal approaches and never fail.

The middle scenario uses the same 60%/40% S&P 500 stocks and intermediate-term U.S. government bonds portfolio of the first two. Although the total of the median real withdrawals and end balance is not as great as the prior two scenarios, the range of outcomes is more controlled. Median withdrawals and end balance came in at 1.49 and 0.97 times the starting portfolio balance, respectively, which fits many retirees’ desires to enjoy more of their wealth while alive.

The fourth scenario from the left uses a 5% flexible withdrawal strategy with a 60%/40% portfolio in which the equity portion is split equally between S&P 500 stocks and U.S. small-cap value stocks. Even though the portfolio still has 40% in bonds, it produced median total real withdrawals of 1.72 times the starting balance while delivering a respectable real median end balance 37% greater than the start.

The fifth and final scenario is a 50%/50% combination of a Vanguard-like target-date fund and a U.S. small-cap value stock fund. The target-date fund has a bond allocation that increases from 50% to 70% in the first seven years of retirement. When combined half and half with U.S. small-cap value, the bond allocation averages 34% over the 30-year retirement. That’s the lowest bond allocation of all scenarios and helps explain why this had the highest median real withdrawal multiple (2.06) and end-balance multiple (1.91). Adding equities and small-cap value increased returns, but it also increased the range of results. This is something retirees with higher equity exposures should be aware of. Although expected returns are higher, the range of possible outcomes is greater too.

Conclusion

The biggest challenge in determining safe withdrawal rates is that we don’t know the scenario we’re optimizing. We don’t know how long we’ll live or the sequence of returns our portfolio will experience. In the face of those uncertainties, the best we can do is look at what’s worked in the past. The 4% fixed safe withdrawal rate comes from that analysis and is a conservative and prudent starting point.

Following the 4% fixed safe withdrawal rate doesn’t guarantee safety, but it puts us on a path with a very high likelihood of success. Combined with some judgment and adaptation based on market conditions, it will serve most investors extremely well.

For investors who have over-saved, a flexible distribution strategy provides a way to guarantee that their withdrawals won’t exhaust their accounts in exchange for some year-to-year spending-power uncertainty. Investors willing to diversify further can improve their safe withdrawal rate by allocating a portion of their portfolio to small-cap value. Doing so will likely also increase the amount they can spend in retirement and the amount they can leave to heirs or charities.

We have more information on distribution rates at https://paulmerriman.com (click on Best Advice and then select Distributions from the drop-down menu). You’ll see a collection of distribution tables showing how fixed-distribution and flexible-distribution approaches of varying amounts have worked in the past with different asset allocations. 

Discussion

MICHAEL S from WA posted over 2 years ago:

why not just build a portfolio of stocks, etf, mutual funds that overall yields just over 4% and has a history of increasing dividends at a rate at or higher than inflation? Then you never have to worry about running out of money and can leave some to family, charity or both? The whole 60/40 thing and 4% is ridiculous when the 4% model requires selling of assets as those models are based in index funds and bond funds which, may never yield a combined 4%, thus you are doomed to have less and less when there are down markets or flat markets. Down markets would devastate someone trying to live on 4% of 60/40 in most periods of time. So can we just stop using 60/40 and 4% withdrawl rate as some sort of informative article? Everyone does it and it this portfolio has been flawed for decades.


JOHN W from NC posted over 2 years ago:

Michael S there is no guarantee high yielding stocks/funds will have a greater total return that the S&P 500 index, and the top 10 S&P 500 stocks (some of which have no or a small dividend) have provided a lot of the return of the index in recent years. Living off dividends provides a lower spending than a total return and percentage drawdown strategy.


ROBERT A from NC posted over 2 years ago:

I have an alternative view: I think allocating assets to bonds is like running a marathon while wearing ankle weights, and rebalancing is a fruitless (and often counterproductive) enterprise. Running out of money is not my primary concern. Instead, my focus is on how well I can continue to grow my assets. All my life, I scrimped, saved, and invested a portion of whatever income I had in order to grow my nest egg, and I see no reason to do anything different now in retirement. At the beginning of retirement, I used a flexible 4% rate as a maximum spending limit, but in keeping with habit, I "saved and invested" a portion of that 4%, which really means that I simply kept my spending well below the 4% limit as a margin of safety. I’ve always maintained a 100% allocation to equities, and as a result of this allocation, my assets have grown nicely through the first 10+ years of retirement. That has provided an even higher margin of safety below the 4% limit. I’m thinking of adjusting my spending limit to 100% of dividends plus 1% of the previous year’s ending portfolio value, and I’ll be sure to maintain a margin of safety below that.


JOHN L from NJ posted over 2 years ago:

Apparently the author did not read William Bengen's book "Conserving Client Portfolios During Retirement" before writing this article. Most of his enumerated questions were answered by Bengen. I will answer just a few and encourage those interested to read "Conserving Client Portfolios During Retirement". Bengen advised that the actual withdraw percentage should be monitored and that changes to the 4% rule amounts be made when necessary. Mid course corrections were encouraged. He also provided recommended withdraw percentages for older retirees. The reason to not use a percentage withdraw method was that it leads to large changes in the amounts withdrawn each year. This would make it difficult to maintain a constant living standard. Frankly I am unhappy that the editor allowed this uninformed article to be published as it provides no help to retirees and misconstrues William Bengen's fine work!


BARRY J from TX posted over 2 years ago:

Most data on retirement demographics only report averages that paint a dark picture of the savings habits of most Americans before and after retirement. So, these data make it easy to conclude that most retirees are living at/below the poverty line. However, more than a few of us old codgers were not profligate with our earlier lifestyles and are still pretty sharp. I reference John’s and Robert’s comments above as Exhibits A and B as evidence of the degree of wisdom in retiree brains. Chris Peterson has written 6 or so articles to educate AAII members. They focus on teaching us how to structure and optimize our portfolios for and in retirement. I defer to their collective expertise on how to create wealth. And I highly value their wisdom. I wish to contribute to the observation that the other half of not running out of money during retirement is managing your expenses. Our goal is not to obsess about returns or RMD amounts but to manage the outcome of the totality of our wealth management actions. The single measure we employ is expecting and maintaining the percentage improvement year-over-year of 15% net growth in our shared. We actively seek and listen to investment side information, but we use one spreadsheet to manage ALL our income, expenses, and taxes. Here’s how we do that. 1. All our income and expenses ultimately feed into that central spreadsheet. 2. We have used the same bank for 50 years where we have a central joint checking account that tracks and documents payments for all expenses. 3. We use different credit cards for different types of transactions –recurring household expenses (utilities, insurance, repairs, etc.), groceries, communications, media, entertainment, etc. All credit card payments are automatically linked to that central checking account. We have established automatic payments that pay off all credit balances monthly. 4. At the same bank, we have a savings account where we deposit all income. That account is linked to the checking account so we can transfer money to it as needed to pay off expenses as they come in. 5. All of these accounts are set up to send automatic electronic notifications of every charge as it is made (literally within minutes). This helps us screen for any unauthorized uses. This only happens maybe once every year or so, but when it does we are on top of it with the bank within one hour. 6. We have several individual and joint brokerage accounts linked to the savings account so we can transfer money into it as needed. 7. The centerpiece of all this is that spreadsheet. 6. We post all transactions to Quicken accounts. Since the credit cards are paid off monthly, we only have a few postings each month. 8. We save all credit card receipts and statements to document possible taxable deductions. 9. At tax time, we email all our PDF documentation to our CPA who has served us for over 30 years. This simple system saves us money on tax preparation because we also send him a spreadsheet that is organized to match the IRS Schedule C and documents all business-related income and expenses. All tax preparation is done electronically. 10. Each Friday afternoon after dinner, my Bride and I each update and close out the spreadsheet. I do income. She does expenses. 11. Then we adjourn to the “north veranda”(aka the back deck) and share a cabernet (on very good or bad days maybe two) and share the events of our lives from the last week and the upcoming week and update our perceptions about the world, politics, the neighborhood, etc., and fire up the iPhones, Bluetooth, and the Bose mini-speaker and rock on … and even dance. Like Donny and Marie, she’s a little bit country. I am definitely old-time rock n roll. 12. The Net -- Life can be very good when you have your finances under control and you can use MORE of your time helping the kids, grandkids, and other close family members with their lives, finances, and problems. That’s what the second wine is for. We have been doing this for the 37 years of our marriage and it seems to get easier every year. Maybe the cabernet helps, too. I been meaning to write all this down and share it. It took prompts from these three smart people to get me to do it. I have always believed that if you manage the downside, the upside will take care of itself. It has worked for us. Hope my testimony motivates some of us to focus on the expense side of managing wealth during retirement.


DAVID H from NV posted over 2 years ago:

I am often stunned that far too many retirement account withdrawal scenarios seem to ignore actual cash flow ideals. In particular, receiving social security benefits. Retirees should spend more time identifying a monthly budget for their expected retirement lifestyle, add in annual inflation of 2-3%, and then subtract their known monthly receipt of social security and/or pensions. Invest in stocks or bonds that have track records of the necessary growth to fill monthly cash flow needs after social security/pension funds. Personally, my wife and I need to average 6% annual return. S&P 500 investments have historical returns easily covering that. With that, we have happily retired well before 65, work on getting healthier and have about $600,000 in retirement savings. Financial analysts warning folks that they need $1,000,000 in retirement at 65 to retire comfortably seem to be "scare mongers" looking for a paycheck.


Chris P from CA posted over 2 years ago:

Thanks for the comments. Writing these articles is hard work we do for free, and we hope it teaches and informs. I'll reply to the two comments above that seem to require one. 1. Regarding Michael S. "why not just build a portfolio of stocks, etf, mutual funds that overall yields just over 4% and has a history of increasing dividends at a rate at or higher than inflation?" -- The short answer is that I don't know how to do that, given that yields can vary over time, and even dividend aristocrats sometimes lower dividends or go out of business. If you feel you've done it and it will last your duration, I wish you success. 2. Regarding John L. "Frankly I am unhappy that the editor allowed this uninformed article to be published as it provides no help to retirees and misconstrues William Bengen's fine work!" -- I agree that Bengen's work is fine and meant in no way to disparage it. I also didn't mean to say he hadn't addressed some of these questions in his book. What I did was bring the questions I encountered in my own retirement to the table and do the research to answer them in a way that might help others. A close read of my article and Bengen's book will show that I didn't just repeat his work, but I added to it by analyzing some new scenarios and investment options that could benefit investors in new ways. Like you, I encourage people to read his book.


KENNETH D from SC posted over 2 years ago:

Just as we do not know when we will die, we do not know what or when unforeseen calamities will hit us and how great the resulting financial damage will be. This lowers my confidence that I can determine a safe spending level that will leave me with funds at my death.


BARRY J from TX posted over 2 years ago:

Kenneth, you're onto something. Determining a "safe withdrawal rate" in a retirement plan is a moving target and the "experts" disagree. I have read half a dozen or so articles in November 2023 alone that suddenly popped up in my email. They ALL came from brand-name sources - AAII (2), SCHW, FID to MORN, and WSJ (2). And ------ wait for it -- they ALL disagreed. They were ALL confident that (their?) "safe withdrawal rate" is a one-decimal point number between 4% and 8%. That is quite a spread. Of course, their methodologies differed - from back-testing 30-year tranches from 1929-2022 (the most popular and in-house quick internet surveys, They followed similar logic on why they needed to update their previous estimates. ... more or less. They blamed it on 2023's high interest rates, an inverted yield curve between ST and LT bonds, and the concentration of 10 or so large-cap equities producing over 90% of the return in markets YTD. It makes me wonder if the concept of a "safe" withdrawal rate" is (#1) a product of someone's System 1 (see Kahneman's "Thinking Fast and Slow (2011) ... (#2) the product of system 1 -- a fast answer subject to heuristics and biases like anchoring and representativeness -- or ... (#3) the product of someone's System 2 -- a reasoned answer -- or -- just another "professional" investing industry model on how portfolio management is supposed to work (that theory all started with Markowitz in1952) ... according to them. It would not be the first time this happened. Meanwhile good luck with your decision. This sounds like a Monte Hall Problem to me. I wonder what the REAL "safe withdrawal rate" is across the practicing retirement plan investors. Maybe it's 4% to 8%. All that matters is what works for you. You are the one that has to deal with the results. They can always publish another article.


ERIC B from MN posted over 2 years ago:

Thanks to Chris Pedersen for the work writing this article. Of course it's academic, and few people are disciplined enough to strictly follow the 60/40 and 4% rule. But endowment funds like one I help manage actually do something similar to determine annual distributions. The main difference is that we use a running 3-year average of the year-end value of the endowment to multiply by 4%, and an individual could, too. This dramatically smooths out market swing effects and delivers a more predictable annual distribution (or withdrawal for individuals). Our endowment trustees have also begun using a range of 3.5% - 5% based on the needs of the dependent entity and the stock market returns, just like an individual will take out more than 4% if they need it or less if they don't.


JAMES M from MT posted over 2 years ago:

Low cap stocks have a wide swing of returns over a cycle of about 17 years. (I won’t last 17 years.) This has been pointed out by others more credentialed on the subject. Even though they produce superior returns the volatility is hard to stomach. Leading to unacceptable fluctuations. The volatility of the individual asset in stocks and bonds is as important as the overall asset allocation. I’m not certain but I think it’s better to have lower volatility even if it means lower withdrawal amounts. Am I nitpicking here because I would choose a different type of asset, maybe Total bonds and S&P 500 for stocks? AA and individual assets within each class should be nuanced. Thanks for your hard work and on point perspective.


Don P from USA posted over 2 years ago:

Very well done on the discussion of Retirement Withdrawls . Most of retired individuals have no aspect of being retired except they are sitting on a fortune. So this is somewhat of a learning experience; you did a nice article . What doesn't come across well after years of work and Company Benefits , both are no longer there . Most retirees go from a Middle Lifestyle to no work and no Benefits ; their Quality of work life is now a high risk of no benefits. that needs to be dealt with . The second area which in someways deals with no benefits is 'Diversity of Life' now retired . The added risk prices keep going up . In summary , the concept of retirement withdrawls are directly related to the Benefits nolonger part of being retired . You have to equate that expense as blowing-up your costs of now a Retiree, unless they are part of retirement costs.


J M from NJ posted over 2 years ago:

I give this informative article 5 stars.


David E from MD posted over 2 years ago:

The possible strategies for withdrawal of assets in retirement are different for each individual situation. For someone with abundant assets retirement spending should work out unless the assets are poorly managed. On the other hand, a safe strategy is very important for anyone with a limited total net worth relative to necessary and optional expenses. In my way of thinking, the withdrawal strategy (and optional spending) should almost always emphasize the possibility of living a long time, so that the assets don’t run out. Good budget assessment of anticipated expenses versus income should help one to make intelligent decisions leading to satisfactory financial management in retirement, assuming they have reasonable assets. Of course, working longer and taking social security at a later age should reduce the possibility of running out of money.


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