Taking Retirement Withdrawals From a Fund Portfolio

A portfolio that could have been duplicated by investors is used to demonstrate how to take withdrawals and the potential pitfalls that are encountered.

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Retirees are commonly told they can safely withdraw 4% of their savings, adjusted for inflation, without running out of money.

Often this advice is presented with return data based on stock and bond market indexes. What is sometimes lacking, however, is an example of implementing the withdrawal strategy with a real-world portfolio.

Since I created a hypothetical portfolio for analyzing the effect of rebalancing (discussed in the article “Portfolio Rebalancing: Observations from 25 Years of Data,” April 2013 AAII Journal), I have the data to walk through the process and show where potential pitfalls may lie. The portfolios use actual funds that were available to investors over the time period studied, so the results presented should be close to what an investor could have actually realized on a pretax basis during the past 25 years. In other words, rather than relying on theory, these portfolios provide close to a real-world example.

Though I used mutual funds for my analysis, exchange-traded funds (ETFs) could be directly substituted without any significant changes. Investors holding individual stocks and bonds should group their holdings by asset class to follow the examples provided.

One change I made from the example shown in my April article was to incorporate an accelerating withdrawal rate. Each year, I increased the percentage withdrawn by the reported Consumer Price Index (CPI) for the year as an inflation adjustment. Factoring in inflation raised the annual withdrawal rate from 4.00% of the portfolio’s value at the end of 1988 to 7.65% of the portfolio’s value at the end of 2012. The inflation escalator was included since retirees will need to increase the amount of their portfolio withdrawals to cover rising expenses.

The good news is that a person who retired at age 65 in 1988 and turned 90 in 2012 would not have incurred longevity risk—the risk of outliving one’s savings—by adhering to the 4% withdrawal rate over that time period. This was the case even though AAII’s moderate portfolio allocation model, which uses a 70% allocation to stocks, was followed. The bad news is that the dollar size of the annual withdrawals did not increase every year and, if rebalancing is not employed, the allocation shifts to nearly 90% domestic stocks after 25 years.

The Mechanics of Adjusting Withdrawal Rates

The 4% rule recommends investors base their retirement withdrawal rates on the value of their portfolio at the start of retirement. In the analysis used for this article, the starting portfolio value is $100,000. I chose this number for its ease of calculation and analysis. It can easily be scaled upward or downward. Plus, any cumulative dollar changes can be quickly estimated through simple multiplication. (A $1 million portfolio would have had dollar amounts that were 10 times larger than the amounts shown in this article.)

The second part of the 4% rule advises increasing the withdrawal rate in accordance with the rate of inflation. For example, if the economy experiences 2% inflation during an investor’s second year of retirement (assuming withdrawals are made at year-end), he would increase his withdrawal rate by 2%. The mathematical formula is: Current withdrawal rate (NAESX) (1 + rate of inflation). Using the 2% example, the equation would be: 0.04 (NAESX) (1 + 0.02) = 0.0408, or 4.08%.

Therefore, in the second year of retirement, the investor will withdraw 4.08% of his existing savings. The withdrawal percentage for the third year of retirement would be based on the second year’s higher withdrawal rate. Assuming inflation stays at 2% and using the formula in the paragraph above, the withdrawal rate in the third year would increase to 4.16%. The math is: 0.0408 (NAESX) (1 + 0.02) = 0.0416, or 4.16%. In each subsequent year through the remainder of his life, the investor would continue to adjust the withdrawal rate upward using the same methodology.

Of course, we know that the rate of inflation never stays constant from year to year. Updated, and historical, information can be found for free at Econstats.com. This website is one of our favorites for economic statistics and contains a wealth of downloadable data. I specifically used the seasonally adjusted Consumer Price Index for all urban consumers (CPI-U). This data is located at www.econstats.com/bls/blsnea8.htm.

There are various measures of inflation and no single gauge precisely measures the impact of overall inflation on a consumer’s expenses. But the CPI-U is a close overall measure and should serve as a useful basis for determining how much to increase your withdrawal rate. I would advise against using a “chained” inflation indicator, since it assumes consumers will change their preferences if the cost of one product becomes too high. While some goods and services can be easily swapped if prices rise too much (e.g., changing from brand name paper towels to store-brand towels), others cannot, particularly certain medications. I would also suggest caution before using a higher-than-reported rate of inflation since it can lead to a higher-than-sustainable rate of portfolio withdrawals. The bigger the assumed inflation rate in one year, the larger all withdrawals made in future years will be.

Portfolio Withdrawal Options

As previously noted, I used AAII’s moderate portfolio allocation model as the basis for the analysis. This model is one of three we track on our website at www.aaii.com/asset-allocation. The moderate asset allocation model uses a 70% allocation to domestic and international stocks and a 30% allocation to bonds.

I purposely chose to stick with this model instead of the conservative asset allocation model, which has a 50% allocation to stocks and 50% allocation to bonds, because of the large drop in bond yields that has occurred over the studied time period. Though investors should shift to a more conservative allocation in retirement than they followed in their working years, the performance of bond funds over the past 25 years will not be repeated over the next 25 years. Given the high level of uncertainty over bond yields, I decided to purposely limit their portfolio weighting.

The challenge with making annual withdrawals is to not disrupt overall portfolio allocations. Some investors choose to do this by taking portfolio income first and then supplementing from principal. Since both income and capital gains contribute to a portfolio’s total return, I chose to focus on the entire portfolio’s balance to fund withdrawals instead. I also assumed that all withdrawals occurred at the end of each calendar year. The simplicity of this approach lends itself well to spreadsheet modeling. It also makes determining the total amount that can be withdrawn easier.

In a real-world scenario, taxes are a consideration. A large withdrawal from a traditional individual retirement account (IRA) could require the payment of estimated taxes in the quarter the funds are withdrawn. Spreading the account withdrawals over the course of the year would lessen the tax impact in any single quarter, though your overall annual tax bill would not change. A compromise would be to withdraw the funds from the stock and bond accounts, but allocate those dollars to a money market fund within the IRA. Then, money could be withdrawn as needed (e.g., on a monthly basis). This way, the withdrawal amount for the calendar year would not be at risk of market fluctuations. Plus, if you do not need to use the entire withdrawal, either because your income needs are met or because you are able to meet your required minimum withdrawal without taking the full withdrawal, you could apply the remaining balance to the following year’s withdrawal amount. (For example, if you have $1,000 left over in year 10 of retirement, the amount withdrawn from the portfolio in year 11 would be reduced by that $1,000 balance.)

I should point out that there are instances when taking interest and portfolio income first makes sense. This would particularly be the case if you hold actual bonds instead of a bond fund, since taking interest income first would be preferable to selling the bonds. If you hold annuities, only take the income since the exit penalties for early withdrawals can be steep. Those of you holding bond funds instead of bonds should be aware that taking interest income first to fund withdrawals may require a greater attention to fluctuations in portfolio allocations, however. The last statement would apply to dividend-paying common and preferred stocks and stock funds, as well.

As far as how much to withdraw from each specific fund, I ran the numbers assuming withdrawals were spread evenly across all funds (the “non-pro rata” method) and assuming withdrawals were weighted by target allocation percentages (the “pro rata” method).

The non-pro rata methodology evenly divided withdrawals across all funds held by portfolio. Since the portfolio initially held four funds, I simply divided the annual withdrawal rate by four. For example, say during the first year of retirement, the investor wanted to withdraw 4% from a $100,000 portfolio holding four funds. The calculation would be $100,000 (NAESX) (0.04 ÷ 4). The math equates to $1,000 being withdrawn from each fund. I chose this method for its simplicity. (The tables presented here assume the first withdrawal was made at the end of 1988 and factor in that year’s return.)

An investor willing to do a little extra math could use the pro rata method instead. This method weights the withdrawal by the targeted allocation percentage. (If you hold more the one fund for a given asset class, group them together for purposes of calculating the asset class withdrawal amount.) For example, our model recommends a 30% weighting to bonds. Each year of retirement, the retiree would use the bond fund as the source for 30% of his overall withdrawal amount. For a $100,000 portfolio, $1,200 would be withdrawn from the bond fund during the first year of retirement. The math is: the portfolio balance (NAESX) (withdrawal rate (NAESX) target allocation) or $100,000 (NAESX) (0.04 (NAESX) 0.30) = $1,200.

You could also adjust the amount to withdraw from each fund as a method of annual rebalancing. This would involve withdrawing first from the funds furthest above their allocation targets. Doing this requires more math than the above two methods, but it is possible.

Table 1 summarizes the results for the non-pro rata and pro rata portfolios. The non-pro rata method did produce a slightly higher rate of return, a slightly greater amount of total withdrawals and slightly less volatility. It is also the easiest to calculate. This said, the decision comes down to personal preference. The non-pro rata portfolio is shown in Table 2 with rebalancing employed and in Table 3 with rebalancing not employed. Similar pro rata tables are included at the end of this article.

The Funds

I used index mutual funds from Vanguard to limit the impact of active management, keep expenses to a minimum and to show close to real-world results. It is very possible for an investor to have mimicked these hypothetical portfolios and achieved similar results. Keep in mind that withdrawals made from a traditional IRA or a similar type of tax-deferred account would be taxed. The results shown here are on a pretax basis.

The specific target portfolio allocations are 20% in the Vanguard 500 Index fund (VFINX); 20% in the Vanguard Mid-Cap Index fund (VIMSX); 10% in the Vanguard Small-Cap Index fund (NAESX); 20% in the Vanguard Total International Stock Index fund (VGTSX), which invests in both developed and emerging market countries; and 30% in the Vanguard Total Bond Market Index fund (VBMFX).

The starting year of 1988 was chosen because that was the first year enough index funds were available to conduct the study. A 20% allocation to Vanguard International Value fund (VTRIX), an actively managed fund, was used through the end of 1996, when Vanguard Total International Stock Index fund (VGTSX) was launched. A 30% allocation to the Vanguard Extended Market Index fund (VEXMX) was used from 1988 until 1998, when Vanguard Mid-Cap Index fund (VIMSX) became available. At the start of 1999, the VEXMX allocation was split between VIMSX (two-thirds) and Vanguard Small-Cap Index fund (NAESX) (one-third) to achieve the desired 20% mid-cap and 10% small-cap allocation.

Incorporating Periodic Rebalancing

To maintain the portfolio allocations and the benefits of diversification, the portfolios were rebalanced when a specific fund’s allocation was more than five percentage points off target. The rebalancing occurred after the annual withdrawals were made. The rebalancing transactions occurred in 1992, 1996, 1998, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2008 and in 2010 for the non-pro rata portfolio (withdrawals spread evenly across all funds). The dates differed slightly for the pro rata portfolio (withdrawals weighted by allocation percentages): 1992, 1996, 1998, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2008 and 2009.

When rebalancing was employed, I first took withdrawals out of the funds. I then multiplied the year’s ending, post-withdrawal balance by the targeted allocation weight for each fund. In 1998, the non-pro rata portfolio had a post-withdrawal balance of $226,213. Based on this, I adjusted the post-withdrawal balance in the large-cap fund to $45,243 by selling shares and reallocating the cash to the international and bond funds. With a target allocation of 20% for the large-cap portion, the math is: $226,213 (NAESX) 0.20 = $45,243. (Both the portfolio balance and the large-cap allocation numbers are rounded.) A similar equation was applied to the other funds to either increase or decrease the amounts invested in them.

Each fund in these portfolios represents a different asset class. If you hold multiple funds for a given asset class, group them together for purposes of rebalancing.

 

The Results

By limiting withdrawals to 4% of the portfolio’s starting value and only adjusting the annual withdrawal percentage amount upward to account for changes in inflation, total savings rose. Over the past 25 years, the dollar value of the non-pro rata portfolio would have grown to $203,767 when rebalancing was employed and $203,464 when rebalancing was not employed. The dollar value of the pro rata portfolio would have grown to $200,885 when rebalancing was employed and $202,574 when rebalancing was not employed. Regardless of which method was used, volatility was reduced when rebalancing was employed.

The growth in the portfolio’s value is significant because an investor who retired at age 65 in 1988 would have turned 90 in 2012. This means his chances of outliving his portfolio are extremely slim given current life expectancy rates, assuming he started out with enough savings to survive on the inflation-adjusted 4% withdrawal rate. As I mentioned earlier in the article, the portfolio is scalable, so as long as the 4% withdrawal is followed, the ending balance should be proportionately the same.

Cash Flows Are Variable

The size of the annual withdrawals increased under both the pro rata and the non-pro rata methods, regardless of whether rebalancing was used or not. In the case of the rebalanced, non-pro rata portfolio, the withdrawal amount rose from $4,605 at the end of 1988 to $16,874 at the end of 2012. Solely looking at the starting and the ending values does not reveal the entire story, however.

The annual withdrawal amount decreased in size seven times for the rebalanced, non-pro rata portfolio (1990, 1994, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2008 and 2011). Even though the withdrawal rate rises every year to account for inflation, it is still a percentage of total portfolio value. If the portfolio falls more in value on a percentage basis than the withdrawal rate is increased by the rate of inflation, the dollar amount of that year’s withdrawal will be lower. This is why price volatility is a consideration for retirees. The greater the fluctuation in annual returns, the greater the fluctuations in the annual withdrawal amounts will be. Many advisers suggest shifting to a more conservative allocation in retirement as a strategy for reducing this volatility.

An investor with enough money saved can buffer these fluctuations by keeping withdrawals stable during down years for the market. This is only possible if the size of the retirement portfolio is large enough to ensure that longevity risk is not a concern. Otherwise raising the withdrawal amounts early in retirement can cause financial problems later in life.

Varying withdrawal rates will be less of a concern for an investor with a large enough stream of more predictable cash flow. Social Security, pensions, bond ladders and annuities can assure a retiree a minimum level of cash flow, increasing his financial ability to tolerate periodic annual variances in withdrawal rates.

Diversification Lost by Not Rebalancing

Allocation problems occurred when rebalancing was not employed. Not rebalancing caused the international stock allocation to be fully depleted by the 2005 withdrawals in the non-pro rata portfolio and by the 2008 withdrawals in the pro rata portfolio. The bond allocation was completely depleted in the pro rata portfolio by the 2009 withdrawals, though this was not the case in the non-pro rata portfolio.

In the year when the international fund’s balance fell below its share of the annual withdrawal, I assumed a retiree would completely pull his investment out of the fund. I then proportionately adjusted the amounts to withdraw from the four remaining funds, less the amount withdrawn from the international fund. This increased the size of the withdrawals made from the remaining funds in subsequent years, which helps to explain why the bond fund ran out of money in the pro rata portfolio, but not the non-pro rata portfolio.

Bond fund investors should take note of this. If bond funds lag over the next decade or longer, they could pose allocation problems. Since the bond funds would underperform the portfolio’s total return, as withdrawals increased in size, larger and larger amounts would be taken from a fund balance that was shrinking in relation to the rest of the portfolio. This is why using a pro rata weighting might compound the problem.

One solution would be to periodically rebalance. Regardless of whether the non-pro rata or the pro rata method was used, the benefits of diversification were preserved with periodic rebalancing. None of the four funds diminished to a point where their balances declined to $0. Rather, the non-pro rata withdrawal portfolio ended 2012 with a post-withdrawal balance of $36,097 in the Vanguard Total International Stock Index fund and the pro rata portfolio ended 2012 with a post-withdrawal balance of $33,949 in the Vanguard Total International Stock Index fund.

What About Withdrawing More Than 4%?

Using the non-pro rata portfolio, I increased the initial withdrawal rate to see how high I could set it without running out of money after the final withdrawal was made in year 25. As was the case with the prior examples, the starting amount was adjusted upward to account for inflation. A starting withdrawal rate of 15% would have ensured that none of the five funds would have been fully depleted when rebalancing was employed. The portfolio’s balance at the end of 2012 was just $2,010, however. (When rebalancing was not used, 4% was the maximum withdrawal rate that could have been used without the international stock fund being fully depleted.)

Though a 15% withdrawal rate makes the 4% rule seem too conservative, a single number often does not always tell the full story. The annual withdrawal amount peaked in 1989, the second year of retirement, at $18,869. It then proceeded to decline to a mere $1,771 in 2012. This decline occurred because the withdrawal amounts in the early years of retirement were too large. Since the withdrawal amounts are based on a percentage of total assets withdrawn, as the portfolio shrank in size, so did the size of the annual withdrawals.

So how much could you withdraw without diminishing the annual amounts late in life? Five percent seemed to be close to the upper limit. The annual withdrawal amount would have risen from $5,756 at the end of 1988 to $14,607 at the end of 2012. The maximum amount of $17,969 would have been realized in 2007.

Other studies have also pegged an inflation-adjusted 4% withdrawal rate as the safe maximum level a retiree can withdraw from his portfolio and not run out of money before his death. A study that looked at withdrawal rates from 1926 through 1995 concluded this withdrawal rate had between a 95% and 98% success rate over a 30-year period for a portfolio with at least a 50% allocation to stocks. Notably, a 3% rate appeared to be the maximum for retirees allocating 75% or 100% to bonds. See “Retirement Savings: Choosing a Withdrawal Rate That Is Sustainable” in the February 1998 AAII Journal for the results of this study; a PDF of the article is available on AAII.com.

Keep in mind that my analysis here is based on what has happened over the past 25 years. Though the portfolios provide examples of how to manage a fund portfolio in retirement, they reveal pitfalls as well. Perhaps the biggest lessons are that following the 4% withdrawal rule is a key to avoiding longevity risk, but it can result in withdrawal amounts that do not increase every year.

Discussion

Tony Mack from MA posted over 13 years ago:

Unless you are very wealthy, living on a 4% withdrawal plus $30K SS is not possible for a couple. With $1MM portfolio, that gives you $70,000 to live on prior to taxes. In this environment, a middle class couple needs $80,000 after taxes, or at least $100,000 prior to taxes. With a $1MM portfolio, that means a 7% to 8% withdrawal rate Sure,you can take 4% and live like you did when you were 22 and poor, but strong and an optimist. Not so when you are 70.


John from Florida posted over 13 years ago:

I would really like to see the results if a retirement of 1999 is assumed with a portfolio of $100,000. Am I still alive? Barely?


hmarrett from ny posted over 13 years ago:

It is clear that stock prices increase to adjust for inflation. If so, as it must be, just keep the 4% withdrawal rate without the CPI adjustment. On good years you eat steak on bad years canned tuna. You will not run out of money. HLM


BRM from Loading...Wisconsin posted over 13 years ago:

Are the calculations in the article correct? I thought the rule-of-thumb was that the amount (not the rate) of the first year withdrawal should be adjusted for inflation so that the withdrawal is always a fixed value in real terms (4000 current year dollars every year into the future). Also 4.0% is quite sporty if you plan 40 years of withdrawals which is not unreasonable for a healthy 65 year old couple and future medical capabilities. Closer to 3.0% would be safer as would adjusting the amount of withdrawal on a yearly basis as a function of market performance.


Ed from WA posted over 13 years ago:

My understanding of the 4% rule is the same as BRM's. The amount of the initial withdrawl is increased each year for the rate of inflation. A retiree would therfore have an expectation that his standard of living would not decrease. The variation of the 4% rule presented in this article is not appropriate for most retirees. The variation in the amount withdrawn from year to year is too great.


Charles Rotblut from IL posted over 13 years ago:

I can rerun the numbers assuming the initial withdrawal amount is increased for inflation, instead of withdrawal rate, if there is interest. It may take a couple of weeks before I get to it, however. -Charles


Dave Gilmer from WA posted over 13 years ago:

Why not go to a 3 fund portfolio in 1993 by using VTSMX? Would this be about the same allocation?


JDB from CT posted over 13 years ago:

Charles…I'd be interested to see this same calculation run using a dollar amount rather than a percentage .


John from Florida posted over 13 years ago:

Using the raw data from Table 2 total portfolio value if I retire in 2000 with $100000 by 2012 my portfolio value is $87025 and I'm eating tuna. My concern is that this exercise started in 1988 which was the start of a great bull market. If the numbers are run starting in 2000 which was the start of a bear market the end result is quite different. I don't have Charles spreadsheet so I can't see exactly where he rebalanced his portfolio but I don't think this approach is viable in a bear market but I would like to see further discussion.


Roundup from WA posted over 13 years ago:

This is a great practical article and a good follow up to the reallocation article. However, I too understand the 4% rule of thumb to call for increasing the initial withdrawal $ amount by the rate of inflation, not the %. It makes a big difference. The total withdrawal in Table 2 is $300,699. Increasing the initial $4,000 by a hypothetical 2% rate of inflation each year gives a total withdrawal of around $128,121. I would appreciate seeing a rerun of the numbers as Charles indicated.


AB from MA posted over 13 years ago:

Your article doesn't mention the MRD dictated by the IRS. It makes limiting a yearly distribution impossible without a large penalty. Using the IRS tables in Publication 590, which vary according to your circumstances, you quickly exceed a 4% MRD and the percent MRD withdrawal rates keep climbing from there.


Harry from OH posted over 13 years ago:

The best strategy for drawing down varies dramatically with the individual's situation. I've spent some time with a retirement planning tool and found that none of the suggested rules of thumb actually matches my retirement situation, and I will need to go by an indexed after-tax expenditure. What I have found really important is to manage my essential expenses. In my case I have ben able to get the projected expenses within my projected lifetime income, leaving the portfolio to cover good times, in the form of discretionary expenses, and catastrophes.


rdv from Florida posted over 13 years ago:

Too Charles: Please do rerun the numbers with the withdrawal rate adjusted for inflation only, rather than pegged to portfolio value. Optimistically, that would show that the good years contribute sufficiently to sustain a steady withdrawal rate through drastic market declines. Giving up a third of the yearly withdrawal, as in 2008 (and still not fully recovered, per Tables 2 & 3) is more than most retirees can absorb. It would also be good to see how more conservative portfolios would fare: a 50/50 and, if possible, a reversed 30% stocks/70% bonds. It would suffice to run these as pro-rata/rebalanced versions only.


rdv from Florida posted over 13 years ago:

PS to Charles, In hope of improving the chance of seeing it done, I'll simplify my conservative portfolio request to a single 40/60 stock/bond allocation. It should provide valuable perspective alongside the more aggressive allocation. Funds could be limited to Vanguard Total Stock Market (30%), Total International Stock (10%), and Total Bond (60%) or similar combination. Thanks. Appreciate the article and the work.


dch from Colorado posted over 13 years ago:

As noted by the second post above from MA, it's all in the start date chosen. Since you picked Jan 1,1988, just about any reasonable combination of withdrawal rate and inflation adjustment you select will show world-class results. Fewer than 10 weeks earlier the market lost 22% in one day to a level not seen since, and the Fed opened the money firehose forcing Treasury bond prices up so fast that the futures market was lock-limit for about a week. Berkshire Hathaway A shares, for example, traded at $3500 back then. I'd love to see the analysis rerun beginning from a market peak, say in the late 1960s or early 2000s.


David Levine from NC posted over 13 years ago:

Just my two cents. I agree that the percent is applied to the withdrawal not to the porfolio; the start year is critical, try 1965. My observation has been that my retired friends all got out of the market in 2002 and 2008 after suffering thirty to fifty percent drops in their porfolios only to return to the market after it recovered. As far as MRD is concerned, this is only a problem with folks who have most of their ivestable income in IRAs. I myself live quite happily on a three percent withdrawal rate which will support me in perpetuity, though my body will not last quite that long. Folks need to remember a million dollars or even a few million is not what it once was. Enjoy your life.


sky from wy posted over 13 years ago:

dch, I think you would find that most of us working folks rely on our 401k or IRA to be our retirement income other than Social Security. The pension plans were taken away long ago for most of us and the expenses of raising a family took care of any extra non IRA/401k funds we might have had. If you are in the upper income level then it if fine to think about other income....but for most i believe that is not the case. Also the example really needs to focus on the higher of either the 4% or RMD under an IRA. The latter is what most of us are facing and trying to plan for. sky


Jas from In posted over 13 years ago:

Recently I have read an article about the withdrawal rate. The article suggest that first five years of the retirement withdraw 6% rate. After 70 reduce witdrawal rate to 4% of the portfolio value. I have calculated total dollar amount of withdrawal using this metod against the 4% rule and discovered that total dollar value spent during 25 years(age 90) were insignificant considering the age. Their assumption is that during the early years of retirement cost of travelling or any activity will be higher than when you are unable to spend money when you are in mid 80's. According to 4% rule in mid 80's the witdrawal rate is siginficantly higher while sending decreases. I assume in both of these methods unusal health cost is not included. I find this reasearch article very interesting which also sugeest witdrawal rate during bad market. Try your own individual situation and may give you new perspective.


Jamal Karerat from India posted over 13 years ago:

Great study, and it will be useful as a starting point for implementing a practical withdrawal strategy after RMD implications are factored in. However, like others have pointed out, to be consistent with the classic 4% rule, the results need to be updated by appying inflation increment on the withdrawal amount. Hope to see a revised version soon.


Edward Curtis from FL posted over 13 years ago:

Whatever the 4% rule is, the calculations should be made by adjusting requirements from year to year, both up and down. Certain elements of requirements, such as medical costs need to be adjusted by inflation plus a couple of points or even more. Others, like food and clothing should track inflation directly. Some expenses, such as mortgage payments may be flat and go to zero at payoff and still others, like travel and entertainment will undoubtedly go down. I have a rolling spreadsheet that forcasts individual future expenses based on current year actual data with an eye to historical trends and onetime expenditures. The individual components are automatically escalated as described above. Forecasting future market performance and inflation rates are a judgement call so I use a number of patterns based on history to produce an "envelope" of results within which I can expect to live. I would very much like to see this methodology applied retroactively to a variety of 20 year actual patterns of security performance and corresponding inflation rates to create an evelope of results. This could be displayed as a collection of graphical patterns of portfolio value over time. This is a great series of articles you have initiated and I urge that you continue. Best regards from Ed in Maine and Florida.


Dave Gilmer from WA posted over 13 years ago:

Charles, I think you need to read a Morningstar article by Christine on "Clearing up confusion on the 4% Rule." Clearly there are people who use the 4% rule on your portfolio value every year, as you indicate in this article, but this is not the classic definition, because it does NOT adjust your withdrawal DOLLARS for inflation. It is of course almost impossible to run out of money even taking 10% of your portfolio every year because you never actually run out of money - unless of course your balance gets below a nickel. The rule starts by finding a dollar amount the first year and then adjusting the dollar amount up without regard to how much money you have left. Following the rule correctly of course means you can more easily run out of money!


Dave Gilmer from WA posted over 13 years ago:

As a matter of fact I ran a quick excel spreadsheet on a 10% withdrawal each year from a portfolio starting at $100,000 with a zero rate of return on the portfolio (just simple math.) After 100 years I still had $3 left, but it sure wasn't much to live off of for the last 85 years of so of the simulation. This is why the article is not really very valuable as written and should be re-done with the proper formula, if it is to be useful.


johninreno from Nevada posted over 13 years ago:

I agree with HLM, "just keep the 4% withdrawal rate without the CPI adjustment". It makes no sense to base your retirement on an arbitrary calculation(4%) and then compound the arbitrariness by annual adjustments using a politically-driven calculation(CPI). The 4% rate has worked well for me since 2000 in spite of the 30% decline in 2008. When investment returns are greater than 4%, then the next years $amount goes up accordingly. In bad years, the $amount goes down. I don't know anyone who has reached retirement age without a major disruption to their income. We can deal with it. Keep in mind that the withdrawal should be considered after tax or "take home pay". There is no correlation between the amount you withdraw and your income for tax purposes. JDM


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