A Luncheon With Cathie Wood of ARK Invest

by Charles Rotblut | March 14, 2024

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Yesterday, I attended a CFA Society Chicago luncheon featuring a Q&A with Catherine “Cathie” Wood. Wood, the founder of ARK Investment Management LLC, is a big proponent of companies associated with what she describes as disruptive innovation.

She believes there are currently five major emerging platforms: robotics, energy storage, artificial intelligence (AI), blockchain and multi-genome sequencing. “[We have never] seen this amount of innovation in history,” believes Wood.

The closest prior example she could find was the late 1800s and early 1900s. The telephone, electricity and the internal combustion engine all started becoming mainstream during that period.

Wood’s investment strategy focuses on companies believed to make the best use of new technological innovations. Yesterday, she used Amazon.com Inc. (AMZN) and Tesla Inc. (TSLA) as examples. Amazon uses robotics in its warehouses, has been investing in cleaner energy and is incorporating AI. Tesla, according to Wood, is “the largest AI project in the world.”

The focus on innovative technologies is predicated on a belief in Wright’s Law. The law states that for every cumulative doubling of units produced, costs will fall by a constant percentage. As production increases, efficiencies are realized. This in turn helps increase the adaptation of new technologies.

Wood predicted that the convergence of the currently innovative technologies will lead to “super exponential growth.” She explained that this means “rapid growth rates accelerating.”

The ARK Invest exchange-traded funds (ETFs) are not for the faint of heart when it comes to price volatility. The total risk index of the flagship ARK Innovation ETF (ARKK) is 3.08. The fund has been three times more volatile than the average ETF available to U.S. investors—a group that includes bond, allocation and commodity funds. In contrast, the Invesco QQQ Trust ETF (QQQ), which tracks the Nasdaq 100 index, has a total risk index of 1.51.

It is not an apples-to-apples comparison, even though Invesco QQQ (aka “the Qs”) is one many investors would compare the ARK Innovation ETF to. The Nasdaq 100 comprises a variety of sectors and companies despite its reputation of being a technology index. ARK Invest, in contrast, solely focuses on companies specifically viewed as technologically innovative. Wood noted that “on many days,” her firm’s funds are “inversely correlated” to the returns of the Nasdaq 100.

The ARK Invest ETFs are not for value investors—at least not those who view value in a traditional sense. The average ratio of enterprise value to earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization (EBITDA) for companies held in the ARK Innovation ETF is 35.0. (The valuation is based on how her firm calculates EBTIDA.) Wood is counting on revenue growth and margin expansion being strong enough over the next five years to more than offset drops in valuations.

Wood’s approach has both ardent followers and detractors. It was very clear yesterday that she holds strong beliefs about the current emergent technologies and what their impact on economic growth will be.

Historically, big technological changes have brought about new, long-standing leaders. Telephones led to the creation of AT&T Inc. (T)—and many iterations over the years. Electric power gave birth to General Electric Co. (GE), with an assist from financier John Pierpont (“J.P.”) Morgan. The internal combustion engine was responsible for Ford Motor Co. (F). Computers brought us Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) and Apple Inc. (AAPL). The challenge has been and continues to be picking the big winners from major innovations.

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Bullish sentiment, expectations that stock prices will rise over the next six months, decreased 5.8 percentage points to 45.9%. Bullish sentiment remains above its historical average of 37.5% for the 19th consecutive week.

Neutral sentiment, expectations that stock prices will stay essentially unchanged over the next six months, increased 5.7 percentage points to 32.2%. Neutral sentiment is above its historical average of 31.5% for the second time in seven weeks.

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The bull-bear spread (bullish minus bearish sentiment) decreased 6.0 percentage points to 24.0%. The bull-bear spread is above its historical average of 6.5% for the 19th consecutive week.

This week’s special question asked AAII members about their perception of fourth-quarter 2023 earnings.

Here is how they responded:

  • They were better than I expected: 46.4%
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Bullish: 45.9%, down 5.8 points
Neutral: 32.2%, up 5.7 points
Bearish: 21.9%, up 0.1 points

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Discussion

John L from NJ posted over 2 years ago:

Cathie Wood is an excellent promoter; a modern day go go fund manager. Her investors however are getting killed. Some things never change.


Ken from NC posted over 2 years ago:

I noticed that on the chart there is one ARK ETF that is missing: ARK Space Exploration & Innovation ETF (ARKX). Currently, seems to be trading in the range of $13.50 to $15.50.


Charles Rotblut from Illinois posted over 2 years ago:

Ken,

I left ARKX out because it does not have a five-year return history.

-Charles


RICHARD from PA posted over 2 years ago:

Thanks for the helpful analysis. Many times we hear only about the successes of these so-called gurus, when their returns are much better than average. But 3 and 5 year returns like this can't easily be explained away. It's an extended period of bad choices, which should call into question the approach being used.


Evan from Minnesota posted over 2 years ago:

Well, even growth investors need a valuation discipline, and Cathy does not know how to value stocks. She overpays for them which is the surest way to produce pedestrian long-term results, as she has. A flash-in-the-pan doesn't make a good manager. Not sure how she even keeps getting invited to events considering she's been the greatest wealth destroyer of the last 30+ years (in a non-fraud manner anyways). Let's all just be honest: she does not know how to invest and her track record proves it. Ignore the hype and focus on the long-term.


Barry from TX posted over 2 years ago:

Charles, Ms. Woods talked a good game early on. Then she carved out a large hole in her portfolio value by using fund appreciations to purchase more shares of her “pet rock” projects. Most of her “pet rocks” are in deep holes on the profitability break-even curve and even further behind Wright Law’s learning curve. This is not a good omen. Invoking (enchanting?) the names of famously successful innovative entrepreneurs (like the ones named in this article) only means Ms. Woods does not understand how survivorship bias impacts the projections she implies in her sales spiel. By the time Ms. Woods makes a profit for her investors again, there will be an AI avatar that replaces her.


Barry from TX posted over 2 years ago:

Here is an update on this article. WSJ has a page 1 article in its 4/24/24 (today's US edition) titled, "Cathie Wood’s Popular ARK Funds Are Sinking Fast" subtitled "Investors have pulled a net $2.2 billion from ARK’s active funds this year, topping outflows from all of 2023." If you are interested in reading this, here is a gift link -- https://www.wsj.com/finance/investing/ark-funds-cathie-wood-investors-56e2950c?st=iv65zrtuzn8uoa7&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink. Seems that the AAII member comments above are prescient. Score one for "Wisdom of old codgers" ("WOOC") vs WOOD 0.


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